tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10136851.post8275564957613407165..comments2024-03-28T09:41:36.745-07:00Comments on She Just Walks Around With It: No On Prop 8. Just, No.kristyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00879301751663532121noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10136851.post-2793297465523161942008-10-30T23:41:00.000-07:002008-10-30T23:41:00.000-07:00I am voting NO EFFING WAY on 8. The way I see it i...I am voting NO EFFING WAY on 8. <BR/>The way I see it is this:<BR/>One hundred years ago, women didn’t have the right to vote. Sixty years ago, minorities weren’t provided the same rights to marriage and basic education that the white majority were. Women were restricted from enrolling in the same colleges and universities that men were.<BR/>The civil rights movements of the 1950’s and 1960’s gradually changed all of this. Because of the civil rights movement, I benefited. I feel that because I benefited from these movements, many of which were led by gays and lesbians in the hopes that one day the same rights would extend to them, I feel that it is my inherent responsibility to continue this civil rights movement.Vanessahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04358924726816567808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10136851.post-75406154881433783412008-10-30T10:17:00.000-07:002008-10-30T10:17:00.000-07:00I'm ashamed to say a similar amendment passed in V...I'm ashamed to say a similar amendment passed in VA two years ago. I was shocked! How could anyone think they were "protecting" marriage? All they did was show how intolerant they are and send a message that intelligent, creative, talented, wonderful people who happen to gay are not welcome here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10136851.post-74128574514950045882008-10-29T23:16:00.000-07:002008-10-29T23:16:00.000-07:00Not just no, but HELL NO!Not just no, but HELL NO!TexInTheCityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15192298682500188305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10136851.post-3171960020422592172008-10-29T22:25:00.000-07:002008-10-29T22:25:00.000-07:00how the heck can i be excited and scared at the sa...how the heck can i be excited and scared at the same time? it's like watching a scary movie through my interlaced fingers covering my eyes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10136851.post-10167440062497273582008-10-28T16:52:00.000-07:002008-10-28T16:52:00.000-07:00word! no on prop 8.word! no on prop 8.jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050931273831377124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10136851.post-80853673697575948402008-10-28T10:13:00.000-07:002008-10-28T10:13:00.000-07:00Great posts, ladies! (And comments too.)I just do...Great posts, ladies! (And comments too.)<BR/><BR/>I just don't understand the fear. Do they think God will condemn entire states when he passes judgment?Danahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05291580830314550176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10136851.post-54355681573341988722008-10-27T20:52:00.000-07:002008-10-27T20:52:00.000-07:00very well stated. I believe all people should hav...very well stated. I believe all people should have the same rights regardless of their sexual preference.rosaliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09992235347549800928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10136851.post-12960838314502086792008-10-27T16:19:00.000-07:002008-10-27T16:19:00.000-07:00I think that we do a disservice to the importance ...I think that we do a disservice to the importance and scope of this issue when we talk about it as a "liberal" issue. Prop 8 isn't about conservative vs. liberal or Republican vs. Democrat, it's about legislated theocratic oppression and discrimination. Allowing the issue to be cast in the light of liberal vs. conservative lends legitimization to the people who support Prop 8 which they do not deserve. This is not a question of differing religious beliefs, it's a question of writing inequality and discrimination into our Constitution. It's not the same as debating about school vouchers, war in Iraq, tax policy, environmentalism - it is not liberal vs. conservative, two well-held beliefs debating complex issues. It's about crossing the line and violating a central social tenant of a democracy, it's about returning to a civil rights landscape that allowed slavery and withheld the vote from women. It's that bad.<BR/><BR/>People who are for this are not "conservatives," they are theocratic bigots who aren't even content with the fact they live in a country where they are free to have their church and own their own religious beliefs without government intervention. People who are against Prop 8 aren't liberals, they are simply American citizens who actually believe in the principles of our country.cuznatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08413063293420710858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10136851.post-51725808281458801852008-10-27T11:55:00.000-07:002008-10-27T11:55:00.000-07:00Yeah, so far not California's proudest moment. And...Yeah, so far not California's proudest moment. And...not sure if you're experiencing the same thing up there, but down here in LA, the "Yes on 8" people have started purchasing massive advertising time on progressive talk radio. It's nauseating. I agree with the poster from Massachussetts...I hope we do the right thing here, too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10136851.post-47779356763164524602008-10-27T10:31:00.000-07:002008-10-27T10:31:00.000-07:00I'm with Rebecca ... Up here in Canada thank God t...I'm with Rebecca ... Up here in Canada thank God this has all been put to rest and life is carrying on and love is being shared. And as she said: 'No death of 'traditional' marriage, no man-dog marriages to speak of. Just a small step towards equality for all.'<BR/><BR/>Hooray!anikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18065970451567634478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10136851.post-53935199567455445692008-10-27T10:30:00.000-07:002008-10-27T10:30:00.000-07:00And while you're at it:NO on Prop 4:http://www.noo...And while you're at it:<BR/><BR/>NO on Prop 4:<BR/><BR/>http://www.noonprop4.org/<BR/><BR/>For the third time in four years, Proposition 4 is a ballot measure which would endanger teens by mandating parental notification 48 hours in advance of a minor terminating a pregnancy. Read the official Prop 4 Summary, as well as the No on 4 Ballot Argument.<BR/><BR/>Parents rightfully want to be involved in their teenagers' lives, and the good news is that most teens do go to their parents when faced with an unintended pregnancy. But in the real world, parental notification laws don't work. No law can mandate family communication.<BR/><BR/>Who opposes Prop 4? Check out the coalition of organizations, doctors and parents who have joined together to protect teen safety and have endorsed "No on Prop 4," including:<BR/><BR/> * California Nurses Association<BR/> * California Medical Association<BR/> * California Association of School Counselors<BR/> * California Teachers Association<BR/> * Planned Parenthood<BR/><BR/>Prop 4 creates dangerous barriers for a vulnerable teen going to a trusted adult such as a grandma or aunt for support.<BR/><BR/> Don't be fooled by Prop 4's inclusion of an "alternative family member notification" in this initiative. Prop 4 is not about "family involvement."<BR/><BR/> Family notification is no more than a state-scripted form letter sent to another relative who may not live in the same town or state. Prop 4 contains no requirement for counseling and no requirement that the notified adult help her when she is in crisis. Prop 4 puts our most vulnerable teenagers in harms way.<BR/><BR/> To put it more bluntly, forced family notification is a lie. Right now, a scared pregnant teen can already go to a trusted aunt or an older sister. This law would close that option to her because, under Prop 4, if the teen chooses to go to another adult, her parents would be automatically reported to authorities and an investigation would ensue.Serrephimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01860746853228891590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10136851.post-43637153389629813142008-10-26T21:44:00.000-07:002008-10-26T21:44:00.000-07:00The thought of this passing makes me physically il...The thought of this passing makes me physically ill. I was SO HAPPY when my state (MA) didn't fuck this up but very worried during the process.<BR/><BR/>I'm proud the right thing happened here. I'm hoping the right thing happens there too. And I second all your outrage, disgust, and comparisons to Nazis, because you're right.Jennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11770792935592686288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10136851.post-70307294675677104022008-10-26T12:52:00.000-07:002008-10-26T12:52:00.000-07:00Recently, I had a discussion about this with my pa...Recently, I had a discussion about this with my parents. I mentioned my disgust at our neighbors' 'Yes in 8. Protect Marriage' yard signs. They looked at each other and said they kind of had a problem with gay marriage. My mom went one step further and confessed that letting gay coupled adopt 'never sat right' with her either. I was floored. My parents? My peyote-loving, grandchildren of Mexican Immigrants, Native American, Cesar Chavez marching, first in their families to be college educated, Harley-riding, Californian parents?<BR/><BR/>I just sat back and proclaimed that everybody deserved love. They blinked. My dad eventually shook his head and laughed, "I can't believe we raised such a liberal daughter."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10136851.post-72019930832410823542008-10-26T03:48:00.000-07:002008-10-26T03:48:00.000-07:00I lived in California in the 70's and thought I ha...I lived in California in the 70's and thought I had come to the 'promised land'. You could not find a more liberal state then. However, when you increase the population a thousand fold I suppose you can expect to have some very odd notions comoing out of the woodwork with some very odd supporters. I am sure California is nowhere as liberal as it used to be, witness the subject proposition. This clearly is a concerted effort by a very small minority and deserves to be fought tooth and nail to the gritty end. Complacency is what replaces thoughtfulness in this world and red alerts like this blog and so many others are what we depend on now for intellectual input. Amen to you all and good luck on election day. Please let us all know the outcome after Nov. 4th, we here in Maine are not touting any such legislation, but you just never know what the future holds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10136851.post-73519118468407744282008-10-25T23:28:00.000-07:002008-10-25T23:28:00.000-07:00brava, brava, brava. And this comes from a straigh...brava, brava, brava. And this comes from a straight person living in GEORGIA, USA.Redhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04141116552921424189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10136851.post-30285371792516995352008-10-25T14:25:00.000-07:002008-10-25T14:25:00.000-07:00I cannot begin to express how grateful I am to you...I cannot begin to express how grateful I am to you for re-posting this, and with such a great preamble. This is the fight of our lives, and it feels great to have such good friends blocking for us.<BR/><BR/>We should start a football team.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10136851.post-33929114789215705202008-10-25T07:06:00.000-07:002008-10-25T07:06:00.000-07:00As the chilly, wet weather sets in here, up in Can...As the chilly, wet weather sets in here, up in Canada, I feel lucky to live in a place where this debate has been put to rest. Gay marriage was legalized on July 20, 2005 and has quietly nestled into our reality. No death of 'traditional' marriage, no man-dog marriages to speak of. Just a small step towards equality for all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10136851.post-78117994322965655592008-10-24T22:20:00.000-07:002008-10-24T22:20:00.000-07:00Thank you, for this! Beth may be articulate and we...Thank you, for this! Beth may be articulate and well-spoken but there's a lot to be said about the passion in the way you wrote about this. I had to share the LOVE.Kaci Johannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18101086920936965767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10136851.post-4869720098297074262008-10-24T20:44:00.000-07:002008-10-24T20:44:00.000-07:00This is the first time in my life that have felt s...This is the first time in my life that have felt so strongly about an Prop on the ballot. I just can't understand what is going on in their head but it comes from fear, fear of what I don't know. There are two No Votes in this house.<BR/><BR/>If they are so concerned about marriage why aren't they working on why there is 60% divorce rate?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10136851.post-27505429262132031012008-10-24T20:24:00.000-07:002008-10-24T20:24:00.000-07:00Also, I got into really hot water with my company ...Also, I got into really hot water with my company because I flat out refused to help them work the phone lines to educate voters on why they should choose YES to the amendment. <BR/><BR/>It's funny, because two weeks later I was written up for something I was told to do by my supervisor. Funny how that works.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13169473016991915742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10136851.post-74635464079176148362008-10-24T20:23:00.000-07:002008-10-24T20:23:00.000-07:00AMEN! This is one Mormon who feels no threat from ...AMEN! This is one Mormon who feels no threat from gay marriage whatsoever. Please know that we're not all afraid of gay marriage. Some of us believe in treating everyone as equals regardless of sexual orientation, race, religion, background, etc. Just as the constitution provides.Soul-Fusionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17578354042950354084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10136851.post-21392556487164556972008-10-24T20:22:00.000-07:002008-10-24T20:22:00.000-07:00Here in Florida, there is a similar amendment that...Here in Florida, there is a similar amendment that will be voted on election day. Amendment 2. One Man, One Woman. I will be voting, not no...but H-E-L-L NO! <BR/><BR/>My reasoning is nearly the same and yours and Beth's, with an added point. This country is a democracy, not a theocracy. If there is to be a true separation of church and state, then Christian ideals and traditions should not make their way into law. <BR/><BR/>Anyway.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13169473016991915742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10136851.post-6136485758151173902008-10-24T19:55:00.000-07:002008-10-24T19:55:00.000-07:00I am a devout Christian who attends church every w...I am a devout Christian who attends church every week, has a daily devotional time and an active spiritual life. I have voted NO on prop 8 and never considered doing otherwise. I've even posted on it twice (the second time was today, as a matter of fact). Not all Christians feel that gay people are scary. I promise, I even have a few close gay friends! ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10136851.post-13399793807111570042008-10-24T19:49:00.000-07:002008-10-24T19:49:00.000-07:00i can't wait for this election to be over so i can...i can't wait for this election to be over so i can stop hearing/seeing all the yes on 8 propaganda.<BR/><BR/>i worry, though, that if it loses, it will just be back again on a future ballot. these freaks are relentless.terryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02758974079951716931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10136851.post-69727895270202502022008-10-24T18:56:00.000-07:002008-10-24T18:56:00.000-07:00The thought of prop. 8 passing makes me sick. Wond...The thought of prop. 8 passing makes me sick. Wonderful articles. I'll be passing this link about cyberspace it you don't mind.Janethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07021120955688879998noreply@blogger.com